What is it about Spirals?

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Perhaps some of you here with more experience in math & physics can give some insight about this:

I've subscribed to a weekly newsletter from Kurzweil AI. (Many of you might find it interesting; it covers futurism, technology, science, etc.) Recently, there were two consecutive articles about spiral shapes that I found curious:

Pasta-shaped radio waves beamed across Venice

A group of Italian and Swedish researchers may have solved the problem of radio congestion by cleverly twisting radio waves into the shape of fusilli pasta, allowing a potentially infinite number of channels to be broadcast and received.

& Scientists twist light to send data at more than 2 terabits per second

A multinational team led by USC with researchers in the U.S., China, Pakistan, and Israel has developed a system of transmitting data using twisted beams of light at ultra-high speeds — up to 2.56 terabits per second.

Broadband cable supports up to about 30 megabits per second. The twisted-light system transmits about 85,000 times more data per second.

Is there something inherent to spiral shapes that allows them to hold more
"information"? (I'm using the word info. in a general way, like if we think of the universe as a system of variously configured "bits" of info.) Is the relationship — in terms of information — between these technologies and natural constructs like DNA and galaxies more than an aesthetic correlation? If it's true that spirals "hold more", why is this?

asked 09 Jul '12, 13:45

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Well, I can tell you that DNA coiled up can hold more information because its structure maximizes surface area while decreasing the volume that it occupies. If you were to uncoil DNA then it be about a meter long. If you unwrapped the two strands, then it'd be twice as long. Mind you, this is with one molecule of DNA that can easily fit inside the tiniest organelles of one of your cells. The geometry involved in that is beyond me. I am sure somebody else has a better answer.

Another amazing material that has a lot of surface area is activated carbon. Its surface area is absolutely insane, at about 500 sq. meters per gram.

Also, you might be interested in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menger_sponge

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answered 09 Jul '12, 16:22

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Thanks for this answer, it's great! Actually I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't consider surface area/volume; it seems sort of obvious in hindsight. Your DNA example illustrates that well. ...but, I'm just assuming it works the same way for those other structures.

Interesting that nature configures itself this way; I'm curious about the prevalence of this feature & whether it's important for any other systems or networks...

The Menger Sponge is cool, though I don't know enough about topological dimensions or [universal] curves to really understand what's going on there (yet).

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No problem. I wish someone would answer the remainder of your question.

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